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hey guys i was just wanting the injector CC rating of EVERY type of cordia, tredia, sigma ETC

whether they be turbo or none turbo. :)

like i think steve told me the cordia injectors are 860cc on the turbod ones and starions are like 950cc right?... is it the same for none turbo?

turbo none turbo

sigma
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thanks guys... i think we may have discussed this before, but not for every car lol

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880cc injectors for Cordias, sold heaps before to guys with drag VR4s and they worked mint. They used all four 880cc ones. I've read that Cordias have one primary injector that's 880cc and one secondary injector that's 950cc but can't confirm that.

So pretty much all models with a 1.8L SOHC turbo motors (Tredia, Cordia) have 880cc injectors and most 2L SOHC turbo models (Starion, Sigma, Eterna) have slightly higher, approximately 950cc.

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yeah i thought there was something about a primary and secondary injector. not completely sure though, but if i have to take them out for any reason i always mark the left and right one, same with the clips

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Yeah that's a good idea. When I bought my motor I got 8 spare injectors with it. I got $200 for a set of four on Trademe, they were really popular because you can't get that sort of flow rating from any other cars. Unless they went with aftermarket 1000cc ones but they cost megabucks.

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Isn't there a difference between injectors for the AA and AB, and the AC. I'm not sure but i think the AA and AB had the 880cc and the AC had the 550cc injectors. I'm not 100% on this though.

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Oh ok, I'm not too familiar with the differences in AA AB and AC as in New Zealand all our Cordia turbo models are the same. But our version best resembles an AB, except with slightly bigger brakes and oversized bumpers.

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Got this info from the guy who I bought my motor off:
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I've tried injectors from a 8v 4g62 onto a 8v 4g63 (with 2L ECU etc)before in the past as an experiment. They are not the same in terms of flow rates. And they will max out early if used in place of the 2L injectors.

There are infact a few variations of the TBI method used by mitsibishi.

Some have a primary and secondary injectors where a large injector provides the majority of fuel and the other smaller injector is used as a reserve under high loads.
There are some that have only one very large injector to supply all the fueling needs to the engine (non-turbo US model Galants 1983-88 I think) (It's true I do have the workshop manual for this).
And there are the more common ones that we know of that uses 2 injectors of the same size to provide for the fueling needs. I'm not sure if the injectors open alternatively. I never bothered to look.

But the injectors are of a different shape to the standard ones we know of.
Similar injectors can be found in the completely enclosed and ovaled "ECI" Throttle Bodies (a completely redisigned throttle injection) of the 86-87 Galant/Eterna DASH Intercooled Turbos and late model DASH Starions. Also these throttle bodies can be found in some Mazda turbos (honest) of that era.[/quote]

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faar vr4 dragsters... imagion that like 4 880cc injectors hooked up to ur multipoint. thatd give a fair bita power :P :twisted:

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Yeah and use a fair bit of gas at the same time I'd say [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/drink/trink36.gif[/img]

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I've posted this before, but here are some flow rates.

[attachment=0]Injector flows.jpg[/attachment]

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[quote="Brazza"]faar vr4 dragsters... imagion that like 4 880cc injectors hooked up to ur multipoint. thatd give a fair bita power :P :twisted:[/quote]
tuned right you could make the most of it, otherwise it would just run rich and blow a stink load of black smoke

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Cordia injectors are not staged, there is 2 of the same size injectors in cc, and are both operating full time.

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As far as I know, DASH injectors were the ones that are staged.

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[quote="Astaroth"]Cordia injectors are not staged, there is 2 of the same size injectors in cc, and are both operating full time.[/quote]
so it doesn't matter which one goes in which side or the clips for that matter?
i'm going to take off my left and right tags now, i feel like a goose

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Better safe than sorry 8)

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[quote="BOOSTU GSR"]As far as I know, DASH injectors were the ones that are staged.[/quote]
Thats correct.1 is about 750cc-800cc which is the primary injector and the 2nd one is about twice the size,Sort of resembles a shower nozzle(its huge) :)

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Sweet, thanks mate. Might have to keep an eye out for some DASH injectors (if they fit my throttle body).

Also, Cordia injectors are top fed high impedence (no resistor pack.). So if you ever upgrade injectors and they're low impedence then you'll need to add in a resistor pack.

[attachment=0]resistor pack.jpg[/attachment]

So to sum it all up - Run high impedance injectors, or if you must run low impedance injectors, use a resistor pack.

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You will want a genuine dash throttlebody to directly bolt onto your intake manifold as a whole. You cannot put in dash injectors into your current throttlebody, because dash injectors are side feed, so its a completly diffrent ball game.

There is a resistor pack for the cordia's already on the firewall as standard. next to the boost sensor if i recall.

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Oh ok I see, thanks Astaroth 8). Didn't know that DASH injectors were side fed.

I know the resistor pack you mean, the little silver box on the passenger side firewall. That's the external resistor for the ignition coil ;). That's something you have to be careful about when replacing your ignition coil. Make sure it says "For use [u]with[/u] external resistor". I have two that look identical here and one of them says "For use [u]without[/u] external resistor"

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You can remove the ECU and replace it with a fuel only computer.......like the Wolf 2D, the cordia's ignition is seperate from the ECU.

That way you can run any injectors you like.

[attachment=0]Wolf 2D.jpg[/attachment]

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Yeah or Megasquirt, but we won't go there again....;)

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actually... i heard from ab and he told me his megasquirt is running fine and has been since he finished it, i put it back on the consider list. mainly because i like to build stuff and get the sense of accomplishment

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Oh ok that's good that's it's been endorsed by someone else, can trust the product more that way. He must be one of very few who has installed that system on their Cordia.

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:roll: ohhh my goodness i really had no idea how complicated injection could be :catch: ive got a lot of catchn up to do wif my knowledge lol!
that wolf ecu sounz like a mint lil thing tho, running any injectors u want.

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Hmm, I should really post up a fuel system guide under Repair and Maintenance Guides, with diagrams. Will see what I can do 8)

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Wolf or other aftermarket ECU's have larger injector drivers, this allows the ECU to run low/High impedance injectors without a resistor pack.

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but renember wolf 3d's can be a little harde for new comers to install, as they have no srport and not a very good set of instructions.
but overall they are a very good ecu, that can do just about anything

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I think I'd get mine done at a shop ;). So if it stuffs out I can blame them :). Hate fiddling with electrical stuff, because if it blows up it's all over...

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I wired in my Wolf no problems..........I love electrical stuff, a little difficult using 3 wiring diagrams to make one.

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I can do household 240v wiring allgood, but when it comes to tiny car wires and small spaces I'd rather leave it to the pros. If I saw a job like this I think I would scream:

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yeah, a vr4 one a cordia one and a wolf one :)